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Snow Bunny · Jul 11, 2008, 04:23 PM // 16:23

Assuming you don't take a smitemes...

Pblock considered strong enough to run? We're considering it, versus running a 3rd warrior - thoughts?

Water ele with E/* primary vs. FC Shatterstone?

Burning arrow vs. Cripshot?

The telenerf sort of tripped my guild up GvG-wise, so we're looking to see what we can make work instead.

dies like fish · Jul 11, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Hexes will probably tear up the lower divisions.

Legendary Shiz · Jul 11, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

If you're taking a water charter, you would be foolish not to use the Me/E template. Don't use Shatterstone though, use Icey Shackles.

As for the wars it depends if you have a mesmer you trust to hit pblock, otherwise I suppose HEV is an option (only if you know you're facing FC snare or hexes) but Pblock is going to be useful regardless, so if you're unsure what you're facing bring pblock. I'm not a huge fan of the three wars, but if you have a shitty mesmer and you have a lot of DF honor bring three wars.

Captain Robo · Jul 11, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Assuming you don't take a smitemes...

Pblock considered strong enough to run? We're considering it, versus running a 3rd warrior - thoughts?

Water ele with E/* primary vs. FC Shatterstone?

Burning arrow vs. Cripshot?

The telenerf sort of tripped my guild up GvG-wise, so we're looking to see what we can make work instead.

Many of these options could work in synergy.

If you take a 3rd warrior, use your E/* and Cripshot for snares. You'll have a strong 8v8 lineup and your warriors can zerg targets down quickly.

In fact, I'd say the only role you can really interchange here is the 3rd warrior vs. Pblock mesmer, because Cripshot and E/* are just too good. Burning Arrow may output better damage, but you just can't beat the snare utility cripshot brings.

As for the E/* vs. FC Shatter, you have to address the matter of utility vs. spike, respectively, and what you need more.

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

If you're taking a water charter, you would be foolish not to use the Me/E template. Don't use Shatterstone though, use Icey Shackles.

^^this.

If you want my opinion, go for physical overload with that 3rd warrior. It sounds like fun.

Alex the Great · Jul 11, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

if you have 3 warriors, i'd say to bring cripshot over burning if you decide to bring a ranger.

Tearz1993 · Jul 11, 2008, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Alex the Great

if you have 3 warriors, i'd say to bring cripshot over burning if you decide to bring a ranger.

Actually I disagree, BA with pin down would work better in that situation imo since the whole point is pressure (assuming you bring a FC icy shackles as well).

As for OP, PBlock is powerful but only when run by someone who is really efficient + consistent with it. If you want to run a mesmer but don't have someone very good at it, I'd suggest esurge since it looks like your guild is running a heavy pressure build.

Snow Bunny · Jul 11, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Tearz1993

As for OP, PBlock is powerful but only when run by someone who is really efficient + consistent with it. If you want to run a mesmer but don't have someone very good at it, I'd suggest esurge since it looks like your guild is running a heavy pressure build.

I think that's what I was looking for.

We were originally running triple warrior with 2 telespikes, and it was working well (yes I know, abusing the shit out of it) but after the nerf we placed the player who Me/E's onto pblock and it was dreadful, and we succumbed to some hexway with condition overload.

But, considering that he's not exactly fit for the plock position, a good team template might look like this?

War
War
Me/E
Esurge
BA

I'm just looking to tweak the best way we can.

Tearz1993 · Jul 11, 2008, 05:06 PM // 17:06

That build is what my guild has been running lately and it's working really well.

Watch out for guilds that run 8v8 builds, however, in which case you will need to split since this build can split very well. Make sure your mesmer uses Shame / Diversion on a monk when spiking because it will be very difficult to get spikes off otherwise. Good luck in the tourny, I put TAM in my predictions part for casual so you'd better not let me down!

Legendary Shiz · Jul 11, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

I think that's what I was looking for.

We were originally running triple warrior with 2 telespikes, and it was working well (yes I know, abusing the shit out of it) but after the nerf we placed the player who Me/E's onto pblock and it was dreadful, and we succumbed to some hexway with condition overload.

But, considering that he's not exactly fit for the plock position, a good team template might look like this?

War
War
Me/E
Esurge
BA

I'm just looking to tweak the best way we can.

As I said before, if you know you're going to face a FC snare mesmer or hexes in general I'd strongly suggest running HEV over Esurge. If you're unsure Esurge is a good option at lower levels, though.

Sun Fired Blank · Jul 11, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

If your domi is bad, maybe you shouldn't run a domi. Run a paragon or a signet mesmer or a smite monk or some other bitch position character.

Tearz1993 · Jul 11, 2008, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Assuming you don't take a smitemes

I think they don't want a smiter

Sun Fired Blank · Jul 11, 2008, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Run a paragon or a signet mesmer or a smite monk or some other bitch position character.

Anything else?

around · Jul 11, 2008, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Cripshot is more strong and brave than that cheapass Burning Arrow crap.

PBlock is also strong and brave, but for a challenge, try running Glyph of Renewal mesmers. Haven't seen them for a LONG time.

FrAnt1c² · Jul 11, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

I think that's what I was looking for.

We were originally running triple warrior with 2 telespikes, and it was working well (yes I know, abusing the shit out of it) but after the nerf we placed the player who Me/E's onto pblock and it was dreadful, and we succumbed to some hexway with condition overload.

But, considering that he's not exactly fit for the plock position, a good team template might look like this?

War
War
Me/E
Esurge
BA

I'm just looking to tweak the best way we can.

More like WS conjure derv and a magehunter as frontline imo, we run a powerblock instead of an E-surge as the derv has enough dmg/pressure.

Cass · Jul 12, 2008, 08:42 AM // 08:42

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Originally Posted by spawnofebil

PBlock is also strong and brave, but for a challenge, try running Glyph of Renewal mesmers. Haven't seen them for a LONG time.

GoR is nice, but you lose the hardres on the mesmer.

Burton2000 · Jul 12, 2008, 09:04 AM // 09:04

Burning arrow is definatly a stronger option than cripshot at this moment in time. People don't split often so having the extra snare isnt going to be of much use over BA's very nice pressure in straight up 8v8.

around · Jul 12, 2008, 10:33 AM // 10:33

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Originally Posted by Cass

GoR is nice, but you lose the hardres on the mesmer.

I hear E/Rt's are good.

Either that or be strong and brave (like Arya) and run your hardres on your ranger.

red orc · Jul 12, 2008, 10:38 AM // 10:38

After meating some pblock mesmers, I quickly changed my E/ to Mes/E.
The Icy shackles build should not have energy problems.
Once I did that I twicked it a little to have more fun:

Icy shackles, Blured vision, Freezing guast, Shard storm, Inspired hex, Revealed hex, Water attunment, res sig

Now I use the foe hexes against then. Doubleing my snares or chaining diversion with my mesmer.

It's been quite fun, I have to say.

FrAnt1c² · Jul 12, 2008, 10:51 AM // 10:51

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Originally Posted by Burton2000

Burning arrow is definatly a stronger option than cripshot at this moment in time. People don't split often so having the extra snare isnt going to be of much use over BA's very nice pressure in straight up 8v8.

with the FC snare mes as the current meta, cripshot is kind of overkill, BA is better for ganking and overall pressure.

Cass · Jul 12, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by spawnofebil

I hear E/Rt's are good.

Either that or be strong and brave (like Arya) and run your hardres on your ranger.

Then you lose the option of taking a Me/E fc water, which is another very popular template atm.

You don't have to defend yourself, I'm just pointing out why I think some build choices are being made.

Hardres on a ranger makes for a very poor split option; "brave" sure...